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Thursday, 31 January 2008

Stroud Transitioner watches Parliamentary group on Peak Oil

JOTTINGS ON THE ALL PARTY PARLIAMENTARY GROUP MEETING ON PEAK OIL AND GAS (IN RELATION TO TRANSPORT) on 26 January 2008 - reproduced here by kind permission of the author, John Meadley.

The presentation was made by Canadian academics Richard Gilbert and Anthony Perl – a brief summary of the book (TRANSPORT REVOLUTIONS – Moving people and freight without oil) is on Key points that I picked up are:

Historically, there have been five major revolutions in transport:

· The introduction of the railways (I would add the canals but these were not important in the American context)
· The mass production of cars, followed by the almost total absence of car production in the US during WW2 – important because the US generated 75% of total car mileage in the world
· High speed trains
· Transatlantic (sea and then air) travel
· The expansion of air freight

Peak oil and the massive decline in personal travel will be the next revolution.

· Almost all transport (people and goods) is now fuelled by oil.
· Aviation will be the most affected by peak oil, as:
ü it is the least energy efficient
ü fuel is the largest % of operating cost of any form of transport and
ü (because aviation fuel is not taxed) an increase in oil price feeds directly (linear relationship) into operating costs.
· Rail transport is the least vulnerable to peak oil.

In 2004 key uses of oil were:

· 55% for transport
· 9% for feed stocks (e.g. plastics, tarmac, fertilisers etc) and this is what oil should be used for – not burnt!
· 8% for electricity

Of that used for transport 44% was petrol, 33% for diesel, 10% for aviation fuel and 7% for heavy oil (sea freight). Of the oil used in sea freight, 33% was used to transport oil around the world.

The peak of conventional/easily accessible oil will occur in the next 5 years. Taking into account all other significant options (including the tar sands of Canada – which are not only energy expensive to extract but also require huge volumes of water for processing – deep sea oil, polar oil and liquefied natural gas), this does not radically extend the timing of peak oil.

By 2025 they project a 35% shortfall of supply as against demand – reflecting exponentially increasing demand and a 17% decline in world oil production (over the current rate of production). Very little work has been done on oil price projections when levels of scarcity increase. Their own calculation is that when the shortfall is 15% the price of oil (in current terms) will rise by 550% - in today’s prices rising to US$320 per barrel (reflecting the average price and not the spikes).

Other options for generating energy are considered in the book:

· Hydrogen fuel cells, once considered to be the answer, are very inefficient and the leading company that has undertaken $0.5 billion pf research has now closed down its research operations. Using wind power as the source of electricity, the power available through a fuel cell is only 20% of that generated by the turbine. This compares with 90% efficiency when fed directly into the grid.

· Solar thermal (huge mirrors in the desert regions) is thought to be the major source of power, provided that the costs of distribution can be controlled. A 100 km radius of mirrors in the Californian desert would supply the entire electricity needs of the US.

· Marine, wind and biomass (using the whole plant to produce electricity is the most efficient) all have a role to play.

· Nuclear has a limited role (constrained by the supply of uranium)

· Conservation of energy clearly has a key role to play

The authors believe that electricity will be the main form of power for transport in the future, largely grid-based (vehicles linked to power lines but with batteries for overtaking and for travelling on local roads. Batteries are inefficient (if power is put into a battery rather than taking it straight from the grid then efficiency reduces by 20%), heavy, costly and polluting to produce and to dispose of and will therefore not be the main mechanism through which power is supplied. Electric vehicles with a small internal combustion (IC) engine for local mileages is also possible. ICs are pretty inefficient and produce a lot of heat. Electric-driven trucks are already in use in the mining and forestry industry, non-polluting, more efficient, better torque and able to take bigger loads up steeper roads. Electric motors are not only efficient but have a very long life. The only reservation raised was that they need copper and that production of copper may also peak. At the same time, copper is 100% recyclable and old engines can provide the copper for new ones.

A V-President of General Motors has publicly stated that electric vehicles are the future.

The authors see:

· An increase in electric powered vehicles
· More use of rail but not at high speeds (energy use increases significantly with speed)
· More use of shipping but at lower speeds. A ship at 30 knots uses 5 times the energy of one going at 20 knots. Germany has already developed sky sails that are flown around 200 metres above the ship where the winds are more consistent and can reduce fuel use by 30-50%. To make use of this, shipping will need to revert to the old trade routes (which were determined by the wind) than simply going where they want when they want.
· Personal transport will be increasingly on a collective basis – shared use of electric vehicles (bearing in mind that most cars are idle for 95% of the time)
· Within cities more walking, use of pods, cycling and electric powered public transport
· Inter-city mainly by train and bus – all electric powered
· Aviation – will be used only for long haul flights. The most efficient use of fuel is a large plane (e.g. Airbus 380) travelling for around 5,000 km. Therefore there will be fewer airports that are strategically based around the world – using ground transport (mainly rail) for the distances in between.
· There are huge gains to be made in the rationalisation of freight transport. 70% of the fuel cost of operating a lorry is just to move the lorry itself (its own weight and overcoming wind resistance) so Lorries operating at less than full are very inefficient.
· Continuing to build more roads and airports that do not fit into this pattern – which reflects the availability of oil – makes no sense.

There are huge political implications in these developments. China is now twice as dependent as the US on oil from the Middle East and is building up its military capacity to be able to operate overseas. Between 1985 and 2005, 500 million Chinese moved from the rural areas to the cities – the largest migration of people ever known.

Conflict around oil (as well as water but that is another subject) is likely and the next meeting of the All Party Group is jointly with the All Party Group on Foreign Affairs (28th February) is on “How we can avoid future oil wars”. China is already looking into solar thermal and use of its huge continental shelf for wind power.

The authors believe that the tipping points for crisis – and for people to recognise that peak oil is real and that how they live has to change – include:

· Saudi Arabia’s bluff that it still has huge oil reserves being called – since SA is always referred to as still having huge reserves and if that is exposed to be untrue then crisis will set in.
· The collapse of the aviation industry. IATA itself has said that if the price of oil exceeds $72 per barrel (that is the average price and not the spikes) then half of the aviation industry will go bankrupt.

This book makes projections and like any projections they are only as good as the data available and how it is used. However, this 370 page book is full of references – and even if it is only half right, then there is a lot of food for thought.

These notes reflect what I took away from the meeting and anyone wanting the full story needs to read the book.

John Meadley 29 January 2008

Transition Stroud response to Sustainable Community Strategy

The Business and government Group have been working on a submission to the District Council's consultation paper. Our work is enclosed below and will be circulated more widely to encourage participation in this important policy-forming document - various Transition Stroud folk have already submitted their comments - the local Green party's draft comments are available here and at the bottom of that link are details on how to participate - or go to the Stroud District Council website here.

Transition Stroud response to Sustainable Community Strategy

On behalf of Transition Stroud
co-ordinated by the Business and Government Group

Enquiries: Fi Macmillan on 07973 322373


The challenge for the Sustainable Community Strategy is to be sustainable; to meet the needs of existing generations without taking away from future generations.

Given what we know about climate change (IPCC report Spring 2007) and declining global oil supply (International Energy Agency), a Sustainable Community Strategy will centre on the reduction of fossil fuel use. And this means looking much further than filling up the car less. It means building a local infrastructure which can operate with a fraction of the fossil fuel we use now.

Our comments centre on:-

- Developing community cohesion so we can use our skills and knowledge as a community to overcome these unprecedented challenges
- Significantly expanding local food production capacity to meet the needs of Stroud district when imports drop and nationwide food distribution costs becomes increasingly prohibitive.
- Developing local supplies of water and renewable power to provide for our basic needs when fossil fuel is priced out of everyman’s range.
- Making sustainable transport – on foot, bicycle – and public transport a priority over car use on our roads
- Feeding our local economy to keep wealth within the district through supporting local shops and businesses, rather than the national retail chains that currently fill our high streets.

A product of this will be the ability to meet significant carbon reduction targets, currently set by the Government at 60% by 2050. Latest scientific reports suggest that at least 80% will be necessary.

specific comments

Q1. A key strategic problem is that those issues which are of concern to local people, and have been used to develop the Vision, are not necessarily those of sustainability. Transition Stroud (‘TS’) agree that the challenges identified by the Community Strategy are important community challenges and they do not necessarily address issues of sustainability.

TS identifies the main challenges as

Developing community cohesion so we can use our skills and knowledge as a community to overcome these unprecedented challenges
- Significantly expanding local food production capacity to meet the needs of Stroud district when imports drop and nationwide food distribution costs becomes increasingly prohibitive.
- Developing local supplies of water and renewable power to provide for our basic needs when fossil fuel is priced out of everyman’s range.
- Making sustainable transport – on foot, bicycle – and public transport a priority over car use on our roads
- Feeding our local economy to keep wealth within the district through supporting local shops and businesses, rather than the national retail chains that currently fill our high streets.

Working with the identified challenges, TS comments:-

- Improving Housing Opportunities would include a large investment in making homes energy efficient
- Creating an expansion of wealth is not sustainable and wealth might mean different things if we approach life with sustainability at its core i.e. fresh water and sustainable power, local vegetables and craft skills maybe wealth in an energy-constrained future
- Access to Services and Rural Transport might be more appropriately safe and pleasant bike/pedestrian routes, strong public transport infrastructure and who knows what those services will need to be in 20 years time? Food distribution, localised medical care or skills training?
- Health and Well-Being will be greater in time with a lesser dependence of fossil-fuels if basic needs are met and planned
- Crime and Community Safety is a real challenge in an energy-constrained future where basic resources are likely to be scarce
- Preserving our Natural Environment is a key challenge that is best effected by reducing our use of fossil fuels and our Cultural Environment will be a key part of developing Community Resilience

Q2. If we are to be measured on ‘reducing stress on resources’ (SDC Environment Strategy 2007), it will be vital to our quality of life to:-

Reduce carbon output to a minimum of 80% of 1990 levels by 2050. This needs to be addressed at a district levels, as well as a national level. Stroud district has the opportunity to lead the way with a clear and institutionalised commitment to these cuts – local business, SDC and other LSP members.
Cut fossil fuel use by minimum of 50% in next 25 years (Heinberg). Again Stroud district has the opportunity to lead the way.

Other quality of life indicators will be undermined unless we tackle climate change and Peak Oil.

Q3. Get people into public spaces together:-

Get people out of their cars - onto bikes, walking and public transport
More community events
More enjoyable public spaces, community growing space and community orchards (the Stroud-Stonehouse cycle track was built as a linear orchard – why not community restoration of this wonderful resource).
Supporting voluntary groups who are active in bringing people together.

Q5. ‘Reducing any negative impact on the environment we live in’ means addressing both points above in Q2 – carbon reduction and fossil fuel use reduction.
Set a carbon budget for the district – leading with GCC and SDC adhering to this.
Develop Oil Depletion Protocol for the district (see Richard Heinberg’s work).

Q6. How will the housing stock be developed to deal with fuel and power shortages (‘Peak Oil’) and extreme weather? Also housing needs to have productive growing space around it. See DVD ‘the Power of Community – How Cuba survived peak oil’.

In addition, homelessness will increase with climate change as areas become uninhabitable with sea-level rise.

Q7. More objectives for housing
Targets for creating 40% houses (see SWEA report)
Targets for uptake of energy efficiency surveys
Initiate and support Low Impact Developments (LIDs) in conjunction with nascent co-housing groups.

Q8. Increase in above

Q9. Declining fossil fuel availability and increasing energy costs are likely to result in economic downtown, if not collapse. Therefore they constitute an economic challenge which can be adapted to now, and also meet carbon reduction targets for Climate Change.

Q10. More economic objectives
To keep trade local and promote local business, as opposed to high street chains.
To promote barter and traditional skills development e.g. food production, animal husbandry, leather working, water management

Q11 & 12. More transport objectives
Travelling in a carbon neutral/efficient way around the district therefore
Increase in pedestrian journeys
Increase in cycling journeys
Increase in car sharing/car club use
Increase in public transport use

Q13. Health and wellbeing challenges
Peak oil is likely to lead to food scarcity as imports drop, productivity drops (fossil fuel based fertilisers less available) and food distribution networks falter. Individuals will need to be stronger to deal with requirements of every day life. Less dependence on fossil fuels, more physical activity and a largely organic diet are likely to determine better health and well-being if basic requirements are met i.e. food, water, renewable energy.

Q15 and 16. Challenges for crime and community safety
Peak Oil and extreme weather events linked with Climate Change are likely to present special public order challenges. TS notes that the water distribution in Gloucester last year, with bowsers being contaminated, was an example of this.
Wholesale oil prices and food prices have risen steeply in 2007. As Peak Oil hits scarcity of basic resources such as food, water, energy is likely to cause social unrest.

For further links to research used in this document, please contact Fi Macmillan on 01453 832892 or 07973 322373,

Saturday, 19 January 2008

Bicycology Stroud: third Bike Film Night

Bicycology Stroud is holding it's third Bike Film Night at the Sub rooms Cafe Bar on Thursday 31st January from 7-10pm - The event is free, but donations are appreciated - As usual the theme is the promotion of cycling alongside attempts to raise awareness of environmental issues.

Here is what they write: "As it's depressing January, however, we are leaning (more than usual!) towards bizarre, beautiful and fun films for this film night.There will be a varied selection of short films from around the world, the headline film being a half hour documentary about an American group - The Winking Circle - who promise "joyous rebellion and all-round eccentrification"."

Wednesday, 16 January 2008

Making our own Money

During the summer Dave Cockcroft summed up an important role of Transition Stroud as creating sustainable livelihoods for local people. This is the remit of the Lifestyles and Livelihoods Group.

At our meeting on Monday Bernard was very keen to set up a new local currency for Stroud. He likes the model of the Chiemgauer (see more about the scheme from wikipedia, or from the founders if you can read German. This was a real boost to the Transition process in Totnes.

In Stroud we have two alternative currencies already starting: Earth Hours, which is a system where people exchange work with an environmental focus, and the Time Bank, which also enables people to exchange their labour. What will the Transition currency add?

First, I think that a circulating medium can help to illustrate where the blockages are in the local economy. If one person ends up with all the money that probably means they have to buy too many of their inputs in pounds sterling and we should look to increase the local supply.

The proposal is that people buy their 'blobs' from an designated office. We deposit a fixed sum of pounds sterling - say £1000 - and issue an equivalent number of the blobs. This means that people can always trade their blobs in for pounds, so they have real value. However, when they do this they will lose a fixed percentage, say 5%, which will be invested in Transition Stroud projects.

We could spend the money into circulation by paying people for their work for Transition Stroud in blobs. Once the money is out there it can circulate around shops and traders willing to accept it. Both spending and accepting the currency is an indication of commitment to your local economy.

Monday, 14 January 2008

Latest Steering Group Minutes: 3rd January

Present – Mike, Jackie, Simon Allen, Dave Cockroft, Ben, Matt, Emily, Bob,
Molly, Ody, James, Phillip. Facilitators – Jackie & Mike

Next Meeting: 7th Feb, Centre for Science and Art, Lansdown 7.30-9.30pm

As requested by the facilitators, James gave a brief introduction to
Handsignals and processes for use in consensus decision-making meetings.
Some resources have been left in ‘The Room’ (they can also be found online

An agenda was formulated and prioritised by those present. Jackie
proposed that this is done in future, rather than agendas being set

It was decided to record outcomes, rather than take detailed minutes.

Bicycology ( were given group approval to use ‘The Room’ for a national meeting, 2nd-3rd February. This will tie in with a film-night/event. James is to book ‘The Room’.

Dave and Ben introduced a proposed new website they have been working on with Ody. The aim is to make an easy to use first point of contact for new members. They were given group approval to pursue and to chase people
who may be interested in being editors or contribute content (contact

Open Meetings will continue to happen on the first Thursday each month at
Centre for Science and Art, Lansdown, but with NEW TIMINGS: 7.30pm -
9.30pm starting and finishing promptly!

Updates from Working Groups:

Business and Government - The (district Level) Local Strategic Partnership has invited the 'Think Tank on Responding to Global Challenges' (including Transitioners Dave Judd and Fi MacMillan) to examine how the district can respond to the twin challenges of climate change and peak oil. The LSP is a network organisation which includes county, district, parish, town council groups and others. The Think Tank is taking submissions in various areas (eg. Planning, transport) and then making a report to the LSP on the issues involved in each area.
Livelihoods and Lifestyles have little to report – are meeting next week
Textiles - nothing to report.
Energy – are starting (hopefully monthly) meetings again after a long
break. They have been approached by Alaistair at the Centre for Science &
Art about a Low-Impact Build project at Upper Lodge, for which planning
permission has been granted. A surveyor/architect is interested, and the
project will hopefully be very hands-on.
Transport – are meeting Tuesday 15th Jan at the Centre for Science and
Art, 7.30 – 9.30. They have been pursuing population/travel information. They are also looking into the example of the Department for Transport’s ‘Sustainable Travel Demonstration Towns’ in particular Worcester (
Connections – Have approached Stroud Slad Farm about the possibility of
holding Seasonal Celebrations at the farm. They met on the 4th Jan.
Education, Training and Skills Group meets next week - Thursday 10th
January 8.00p.m at 62 Westward Road, Stroud. For discussion - Training and
skills audit and options for working with schools. All welcome. Any
queries please Email or phone Helen Pitel (Co-ordinator) on 01453 762957.

John Meadley ( had previously offered to collate information from Working Groups. It was hoped that a least one
member of each Working Groups would be present at the Open Meetings, so a
brief update of all groups activities could take place at the start of the
meeting. Updates will be needed for the new website when it is online.

Support Roles
Support Roles feedback:

It was stressed that there are still Support roles that need to be taken on: ‘Outreach’ and ‘Chair’.

Events Jackie is keen to get a calendar of produced to hand out, sees the role as coordinating not necessarily doing.
IT/Communications Ben and Jess have thought about the role, creating a
list of tasks involved, covering the website, presentations/events,
marketing, internal communication and information capture.
‘Homemaker’ Emily offered to take on making ‘The Room’ more homely, and possibly a support role of ‘homemaker for the room’ in future.
Money – Rose not present.

Transition Stroud has priority use of ‘The Room’ until August. Jackie is the only Keyholder at present, but would appreciate a couple of others to take on the responsibility as well.

Nailstock: Simon Allen reported that through his connections to Nailstock, Transition Stroud has been invited to organise the recycling at this year’s event - April 26th. Transition Stroud would get a stall in exchange. Simon is to chase up what is involved and to find out the date by which they would
need to know whether we would do it.

The Open Space event: Initially scheduled for 3rd Feb, the Open Space event is now going to take place on the 26th February.

Facilitation for next meeting: Jackie and Mike have facilitated the last two meetings - the intention is that the role rotates, so it would be great if there were volunteers to take over the role for the next couple of meetings. Working as a pair seems a good option and Jackie & Mike have offered to share their experiences. Contact

Feedback on Meeting: Jackie proposed that all future meetings have space for people to give feedback on the meeting. For this meeting it was mainly positive.

Agenda Items left till next meeting: The Room, Transition Library, Open Eco-homes, Events – films/speakers.

Monday, 7 January 2008

Proposal: Open Eco Homes and Productive Gardens

Several members of Transition Stroud put forward this idea in Working Groups, but at present there is not a group organising it. There was not time to discuss it at the recent Transition Open Meeting so I have put the info below and circulated it to various email lists to see if there is support.

Photo: Clare Sheridan who has done lots to promote renewables locally - her home has featured in many magazines and newspapers

I would be happy to help this project but would like more support before taking it further forward - is there anyone who would be prepared to help get the project together? My notes below are gleaned from various conversations with TS folk and others - plus very draft ideas on what help is needed. Please email or phone me if you are interested so that we can gain a measure of interest in this project?

Background - Open Studios

Many will be aware of the huge and growing success, year on year, of the Open Studios in Stroud. Some 200 artists exhibit in many homes across the District that are open for 2 weekends in June - in addition to exhibitions in homes and other venues there are also talks, walks, poetry and performance throughout June. See more re Open Studios here:

Could this format work to promote energy efficiency and renewable energy measures?

The idea would be to give people the opportunity to travel around the District over one or two days to see PV, turbines, insulation, Sustainable Urban Drainage Systems, permaculture/organics etc and be able to talk to householders who have taken these measures. Many people find it difficult to find good information or how to proceed - here is a chance to ask the owners of these systems why they chose them and how they are performing.

It has been done elsewhere?

I have been pointed to various schemes across the country that are similar to this proposal. In London for example one day in the Autumn various Eco-homes are opened up including BedZED.

Another approach was undertaken in North Devon by a small local sustainability organisation who secured funding for a "powerhouse" project, which comprised of a weekend drop-in event with various workshops, and minibus trips to visit local examples of household energy-saving, energy-generation, or green building materials etc. The 'Energy Safari' was apparently the highlight - there were various small themed tours of renewable energy and energy saving systems installed in local homes plus a 'base camp' exhibition on renewable energy and energy saving. More details from:

What next?

I have tentatively suggested the idea to the Sustainability Officer at Stroud District Council to explore possible support and funding. The Green Shop have also been helpful in making suggestions for visits.

If we are to proceed we will need help with various aspects - should we look at Energy Safaris and Open Homes? Is there someone prepared to seek funding to pay an organiser of the event? Or could we start low key this year to test water and get funding only for leaflets etc? What is viable? Here are some first thoughts on things that may need doing:

- putting together a list of willing homes/visit sites
- signage to homes on the weekend
- putting together a leaflet/booklet of route
- funding for leaflet etc
- publicity
- Safari organiser
- Exhibition organiser

Let me know if you are at all interested in all or part of this possible project.

Friday, 4 January 2008

Transition meeting, new website and other plans

Last night saw around 15 Transition Town folk descend on the 'Gold room' in Lansdown (see photo left) - a room that has kindly been donated to us for use until August....

....the minutes of the meeting will be circulated soon to members of the Google email list so I wont cover the full details here - if you are not a member you can still sign up from the Wiki website here to get emails. Anyhow this meeting was formerly the 'Core Group' that has since been disbanded - the shape and contents of the monthly meeting has been much debated and again I wont cover that here - but for those interested do look back over Transition Town emails (stored on the Google site) - so what were we to discuss at this new format 'Open Meeting'?

Photo: Jacqui and Mike

Well more of that in a moment first a few key announcements that were agreed:
1. The Open Space event (scheduled for 3rd Feb) is going to be pushed back a little - hopefully a new date will be confirmed shortly

2. Feb's Open Meeting is on 7th Feb, at Centre for Science and Art, Landsdown - NEW TIMINGS (for all future monthly meetings) 7.30pm - 9.30pm starting and finishing promptly!

3. Jackie and Mike facilitated the last two meetings - the intention is that the role rotates, so it would be great if there were volunteers to take over the role for the next couple of meetings. Working as a pair seems a good option and Jackie/myself would be happy to share our experiences/learnings. Best to contact me in the first instance if interested:

Consensus Decision making

OK so first up was a discussion about using Consensus Decision making techniques presented to us by James.
"What is consensus? Consensus is a decision-making process that works creatively to include all persons making the decision. Instead of simply voting for an item, and having the majority of the group getting their way, the group is committed to finding solutions that everyone can live with. This ensures that everyone's opinions, ideas and reservations are taken into account. But consensus is more than just a compromise. It is a process that can result in surprising and creative solutions - often better than the original suggestions." From Seeds of Change
I would urge those unfamiliar with the approach to follow the 'Seeds for Change' link - we also adopted for the evening the 'Hand Signals' - download from here. These help the meeting run more smoothly (see photo of some in action left) and help the facilitators identify emerging agreements. For some they may seem very alien but as I am someone who loves using my hands I felt fully at home with shaking hands in agreement and more. Indeed it seemed to allow more participation and keep the flow of the meeting going - I greatly welcome this suggestion by James and hope that in future meetings we find it useful and continue using it.

Agenda and new website

We then created an agenda - see photo of Mike - which sadly we did not get through in the two hours - so they will be carried forward until the next meeting.

It kicked off with a short presentation by Ben and Dave (see photo of Ben) of the new website they have been developing - this will look vastly superior to the current wiki site.

The suggestion which largely met with approval is that this new site will be the first online contact point and will carry all the background info re climate change, FAQs plus details of working groups.

The site will be easy to use - like the current Glos Green party website which allows a few key people to upload text and photos quickly. Some reservations were noted about less people being able to upload stuff than currently but it was also noted that working groups may continue using a wiki or other site for the bulk of their info? The Transition blog - ie what you are reading now - will also continue to record some of the events and flavour of the developing groups and more.....

Key roles and feedback

We only had time to discuss in length the 'Events Programme Organiser' - Jacqui has kindly agreed to take this on - the other roles also had a bit of discussion and the minutes will show where we still need help. The feedback from sub-groups was also brief - some of that info is already on this blog.

Other bits

Nailstock have offered to help recycle cans and rubbish at this years' event in return for a stall will be looked at further by Simon and the Open Space event as noted above has been postponed to give us more time to prepare. There's probably allsorts more but it was a very positive and constructive meeting with some fun!